Kraggzz
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Post by Kraggzz on Dec 15, 2003 15:08:03 GMT -5
Why is it so hard for people to accept? I'm not saying I do, but that doesn't mean I've thrown it out the window never to be thought of again. And what if it does happen? What will you say then? All we can do is wait and see.
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Post by Vapour on Dec 15, 2003 15:45:06 GMT -5
[glow=navy,2,300]I'm with Kragzz. I'm not saying that I "worship" Nastraudamus, I'm just saying that what he said is a possibility that I take seriously. He may have guessed some things wrong, but he guessed so much right that it is almost... scary. All we can do is wait and see what happenes. I'm not saying that that is going to happen for sure, I'm just saying that it is a possibility.[/glow]
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Post by Sokar468 on Dec 15, 2003 15:48:09 GMT -5
Well, back to Saddam...
Once again, the Iraqi people don't trust us that we have actually captured him. Man, we achieve one thing only to cause more trouble with the Iraqi people. They will never understand what the U.S. is trying to do for them, but then again, I don't blame them for that. It's just one big mess that I prefer not to discuss too much.
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Post by Creed on Dec 15, 2003 15:48:49 GMT -5
well, there are many things like this. the ancient mayans predicted that the world will end in like the year 2012 or something, and though some might view that as complete bs you got to keep in mind they managed to predict astrological events almost perfectly, like when the next lunar eclipse will happen. you never know what might happen. and about the killing of saddam bringing on a long war, it might just happen. i don't know, but the political climate of the world isn't exactly hunky dory and everyone loves everyone else.
He said that after the third world war (whenever that will be) that there will be many years of great peace
well yeah i guess this might be true. think about it. after a war where everyone kills each other one side is going to emerge and victor, and the victors aren't exactly going to go to war with themselves anytime soon.
creepy...
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Post by Sektor on Dec 15, 2003 18:48:33 GMT -5
Why is it so hard for people to accept? I'm not saying I do, but that doesn't mean I've thrown it out the window never to be thought of again. And what if it does happen? What will you say then? All we can do is wait and see. Yes, you're right. There are only two types of people in this case. The people who wait and see what will happen and those who REFUSE to believe. Right now it appears Oldy and Gustave are the refusers. All we can do is wait and see, no side has overcoming evidence than the other. As for the Saddam thing, I'm glad that bastard has been caught. I dont know the exact definition of anti-christ but Hussein probably believes that Christ was a profit... but not the son of god, same here , considering I'm also muslim. But, if the definition of anti-christ is those who fight against christians, then Hussein is still not believebly the 3rd antichrist. If anyone, It would be Bin Ladin. He's the one who hates all christians and stuff...
Just for the record, all the things that Bin Laden and Hussein did is "Haram" or against the muslim religion. So, anyone who thinks that all muslims do is terrorize and kill innocent people, you're following one wrong stereotypical view. If anything, your average muslim on the other hand is the complete opposite. Me, I never drank, never will. I never smoke, and I never will. I'll never steal either. So, all that have a false impression, I just want you to know that Bin Ladin and hussein set a horrible example of all muslims.
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Post by Creed on Dec 15, 2003 19:32:59 GMT -5
during the weeks following the 9/11 attacks, a lot of americans were basically terrorizing the muslims in the united states because they believed that since bin laden was a muslim, all muslims are evil. this racial prejudice has existed since always. after pearl harbor, the japanese americans living on the west coast were herded into internment camps out of fear that some may be spies. though many of those japanese volunteered for the army and were shipped off to the battlefields of europe, they were still kept in the camps until after the war. the government has made the same "mistake" after 9/11. they pretty much dropped the hammer on the muslims living in the united states. a friend of mine is a muslim, and his father was an aspiring pilot. after 9/11 the government took away his wings and privilege to fly. this is just like herding the japanese off to the internment camps. just like the japanese, not all muslims are evil. not all muslims want to see the united states destroyed. the only ones who want that are the small groups of extremists, like bin laden and his al qaeda organization. as FDR once said, "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". though he was speaking about the soviets and the cold war at that time, this quotation carries on through time. it is this unrational fear of muslims that has brought all this prejudice upon them. still even now there still are racists who still hate the general muslim population because of 9/11. this is not the kind of land our founding fathers had wanted. this is not the america people had envisioned, the land of freedom and equality.
as with the story about the anti-christ, i don't believe hussein is the next and third anti-christ. bin laden fits the bill perfectly. hussein is just too "small time third world dictator" to become another anti-christ.
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Post by Gustave on Dec 15, 2003 20:33:41 GMT -5
Yes, you're right. There are only two types of people in this case. The people who wait and see what will happen and those who REFUSE to believe. Right now it appears Oldy and Gustave are the refusers. All we can do is wait and see, no side has overcoming evidence than the other. As for the Saddam thing, I'm glad that bastard has been caught. I dont know the exact definition of anti-christ but Hussein probably believes that Christ was a profit... but not the son of god, same here , considering I'm also muslim. But, if the definition of anti-christ is those who fight against christians, then Hussein is still not believebly the 3rd antichrist. If anyone, It would be Bin Ladin. He's the one who hates all christians and stuff...
Just for the record, all the things that Bin Laden and Hussein did is "Haram" or against the muslim religion. So, anyone who thinks that all muslims do is terrorize and kill innocent people, you're following one wrong stereotypical view. If anything, your average muslim on the other hand is the complete opposite. Me, I never drank, never will. I never smoke, and I never will. I'll never steal either. So, all that have a false impression, I just want you to know that Bin Ladin and hussein set a horrible example of all muslims. Are you a muslim? And, yes, i am a refuser. I'm a born-again Christian. There is nothing in scriptures that talks about three anti-christs. If you read Revelations, then you know that Nostradamus even using the word "anti-Christ" makes his theory unplausible. The anti-Christ (singular) was predicted by Revelations to be Satan on earth, and one that only appears after the Christians have dissapeared in the Rapture. Not all Christians believe in this, but if you do, it's because of the Book of Revelations. If a Christian believes in an anti-Christ in the first place, then he should know that there is only one. Since he says anti-Christ, this is directed towards Christians.
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Post by Kamon on Dec 15, 2003 21:42:39 GMT -5
If this turns into another religion topic, it will be locked. If? it already has been turned into. Lock this Bull shit. And Gustave, why does it matter? Im not denying that i am or am not but i am a muslim. And if anyone is troubled with that i dont wanna hear any unessesary comments from you. In my opinion, if your a stereo typical type of person thats something to keep to your self. There is absolutely nothing about terrorism in the Quran and if anyone would like to prove me wrong, read an english version of the quran and tell me exaclty where it says that jihad involves murdering innocent people for self satisfaction and then backing your self up by using the islamic religion. Osama binladen like went on how to blow up buildings.com and said, oh yeah this must be the Quran. And for Saddam, He an ex power hungry tyrant who has had his regiem put to an end. So i would like to push the rule of no religious discussion on this Forum.
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Post by Sektor on Dec 15, 2003 22:38:35 GMT -5
If? it already has been turned into. Lock this Bull shit. And Gustave, why does it matter? Im not denying that i am or am not but i am a muslim. And if anyone is troubled with that i dont wanna hear any unessesary comments from you. In my opinion, if your a stereo typical type of person thats something to keep to your self. There is absolutely nothing about terrorism in the Quran and if anyone would like to prove me wrong, read an english version of the quran and tell me exaclty where it says that jihad involves murdering innocent people for self satisfaction and then backing your self up by using the islamic religion. Osama binladen like went on how to blow up buildings.com and said, oh yeah this must be the Quran. And for Saddam, He an ex power hungry tyrant who has had his regiem put to an end. So i would like to push the rule of no religious discussion on this Forum. You dont have to be so agressive...
Gustave, yes, I am a muslim. Anyway, I don't believe this Naustradamus guy at all. He isn't mentioned as a profit in neither of the 3 monotheistic religion books so his theories were either altered at a later time or he hit a lucky chord.
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Post by DRottenI on Dec 15, 2003 23:00:29 GMT -5
If this turns into another religion topic, it will be locked. Damn straight Crono, stick it to um I thought this topic was started to laugh at saddam because the US finally caught him, not some religious topic about the end of the world and not to mention people being insulted because of there religion thats when its gone to far
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Post by fallenangel55 on Dec 16, 2003 0:22:14 GMT -5
...yes i agree with DRottenI, this was to actually be happy that they got saddam not make it religious....i couldnt careless if ppl are muslim or christian..... wow, saddam had changed....
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Post by Kamon on Dec 16, 2003 15:43:14 GMT -5
*wonders to self* how did he survive down there considdering that he didnt have the neccessary supplies to survive.
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Post by Vapour on Dec 16, 2003 16:17:14 GMT -5
[glow=navy,2,300]Did you see the pictures of him? (I'm sure you did because that has been played as frequent as the 9/11 bombing video lately) It almost looked like he didn't survive it. And I'm sure the necessities like food and water were brought to him by visitors.[/glow]
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Post by Creed on Dec 16, 2003 18:23:15 GMT -5
it's no wonder he gave up without so much as a fight. it was said he moved from place to place every 2-3 hours. imagine doing that for a month or two, plus the fact that you have to avoid being seen. that can do a lot to a guy. it must really suck, having $750k in cash but not being able to spend it anywhere.
in short:
rags -> riches -> rags -> prison jumpsuit
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