Bush confesses

[Kamon]

I was reading a page of the newest time magazine and bush admitted it. His exact words were " i was wrong"
Hes talking about the war. Doesnt it tick u off that after killing a ton of iraqis and US soldiers he admits hes wrong. IMO it would've been better if he hadnt admitted it. But one thing to keep in mind is that he admits hes wrong after gettign saddam....... My opinion is that he wanted to finish what his father couldnt and he only hosted the war for his own pride.

[Kraggzz]

We needed a confession? I think most of us knew Iraq had no nuclear weapons...

[GeneralMagnus]

Kraggzz said:

We needed a confession? I think most of us knew Iraq had no nuclear weapons...

Thought the world knew that.


And... here's something you may not have known: Bush broke the Geneva convention for BOTH his wars since his election... if I can find the post with all the explanations on another forum I go to, I'll copy it to this to show you guys just which ones he broke...

[Magicman]

Off Topic:

By the by, Bush and Blair have been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. At first, I thought it was a sick joke, but it's true.

[SNK!]

It's a sad world where we break our own rules, then punish others when they do the same, but it's a miserable one when such actions are accepted.

[Gustave]

I personally don't mind the war at all. I wish he hadn't confessed, we all knew it was true that iraq had no weapons of MD. End Result: Saddam was caught, the world is a better place. Bush needed an excuse to get him, because over here we can't really get a grip on how bad it is over there.

[Vapour]

[glow=DarkGreen,2,300]The world is a better place? How is the world a better place when the biggest Terrorist in the world has more power than ever? I can't wait until someone else gets ellected as President.[/glow]

[Sektor]

G-Daddy said:

I personally don't mind the war at all. I wish he hadn't confessed, we all knew it was true that iraq had no weapons of MD. End Result: Saddam was caught, the world is a better place. Bush needed an excuse to get him, because over here we can't really get a grip on how bad it is over there.

The world a better place? Saddam hasn't harrassed his people since the Gulf War, he learned his lesson. Now Iraq is more chaotic than it was with Saddam. If anything, the world is getting worse by the moment.

[Gustave]

Sektor said:

Saddam hasn't harrassed his people since the Gulf War, he learned his lesson.

Please show me proof of that, i have never heard that before.

[Sektor]

The most recent incident in where Saddam harrased his people was back with the chemical weapon incident a couple years back. There's as much proof that he continued to harass his people after that as there's proof that Iraq carries nuclear weapons. You got to stick with the solid facts, not with hearsay and the Government's "talk"

[Gustave]

Sektor said:

The most recent incident in where Saddam harrased his people was back with the chemical weapon incident a couple years back. There's as much proof that he continued to harass his people after that as there's proof that Iraq carries nuclear weapons. You got to stick with the solid facts, not with hearsay and the Government's "talk"

True, but there's a perversion of that line of thinking too. Hitler never wrote his name on any of his own Final Solution. There's no solid fact to back up that it was a plan he took to action. Heinrich Himmler is the only one with enough proof to convict him. Does that mean we should ignore Hitler as a truly evil leader?

[Sektor]

G-Daddy said:

True, but there's a perversion of that line of thinking too. Hitler never wrote his name on any of his own Final Solution. There's no solid fact to back up that it was a plan he took to action. Heinrich Himmler is the only one with enough proof to convict him. Does that mean we should ignore Hitler as a truly evil leader?

You're mixing things up here. In the holocaust, it was a case of WHO did it. In the case of the Iraq situation, it's WHAT did he do? Especially since the government has been lying to us numerous times, I feel that the Iraqi involvement is an even more rash decision than our involvment in Vietnam. See, there is nothing that Iraq did which threatened America, it's just a personal issue between Bush and Hussein. Through this involvment in Iraq, the US has completely ignored the decision of the UN which hurt alliances with the allies. Also, now the US is on even less stable terms with the arab world because of this incident. Made the world better? Hah, I think Bush just screwed the US's reputation over.

[Kraggzz]

Bush is an asshole man... There was no true reason to go into Iraq, we didn't need to make the UN hate us or even piss off the Middle East even more..........

[Creed]

jeez i don't believe this. bush got us all hyped up over the threat of the supposed "weapons of mass destruction" and how saddam is going to give it to al-qaeda to blow us to kingdom come, and then he sent troops into iraq to bring down the "despotic" baathist regime. sure we all know that saddam was no angel, but is this loss worth it all? everyday we hear of more and more soldiers getting shot and blown up by irregulars, and to the point where you hear of a soldier dying and frankly you just don't really care no more. i mean, before if a american soldier dies in combat then it is big news. now it is happening so often we just brush it aside. but when you really think about it, the true victims of this war are the countless american families who are going to be without a son, brother, or father. the true victims are the innocent iraqis trying to get back with their lives and are caught in the crossfire between us and iraqi resistance.

by going in without the un's backing bush really did screw up. now he's launching all sorts of missions to "capture resistance leaders" or to "search out weapons" but how is this really helping? it is just like the situation in vietnam. sure you can go into a village and round up a dozen guerillas and send them to jail. but a dozen more are just gonna come and take their place because they saw the original dozen get taken away and now are pissed off. it is just a continuing cycle of hatred and killing. now the us troops have given up on "winning the hearts and minds" of the people and are just pissed off, and this will make them be less lenient with the iraqis which makes the iraqis even more pissed off. just the other day i was flipping through a newsweek and i saw a photo of a us soldier stepping on a old man's head to keep him down while his buddies search him for weapons. if we don't pull out soon then this will become another vietnam.

and also, has the disposing of saddam's regime made baghdad a safer place? i mean, before there used to be law and order, and that, however brutal, actually kept the peace in the land. now looters and gunmen run freely, stealing and killing as they please. and a lot of iraq's ancient archaelogical sites are being desecrated by looters, and people have stolen almost all of the artifacts from the baghdad museum. the war is not only costing us and them a lot of lives, but is destroying history.

bottom line: get bush outta office. he destroyed our relations with arabic nations, and we are at odds with our european "friends". right now about the only nation that follows us is britain, and trust me tony blair ain't exactly the most popular man there...

[Kraggzz]

Is it safe to assume more soldiers have died due to post-war guerilla attacks than in the actual war? I really believe that he doesnt have a clue when he makes his decisions...