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Post by Sokar468 on Aug 10, 2004 15:15:44 GMT -5
I think he said Falcon is 6th. The tournaments at the anime convention are 4 player free for alls with different settings. They never did a 1v1 (and I have never heard of only 1v1 tournaments). I was referring to Falco, Fox's clone, who I think is better than Fox (personally).
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Post by TreasureFinder on Aug 10, 2004 16:38:00 GMT -5
If blah blah blah is 2nd best, and blah blah blah 6th, who is the best character?
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Post by OldSchool on Aug 10, 2004 17:35:52 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for them to get an unbelievably rare game (LUCT hopefully someday) and have it at a low price. Check your local video stores and see if they are still renting out any of those old games, then just ask the manager if you can buy em. Thats how i got LUCT and Rhasphody for $10 each ;D
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Post by Jaggy on Aug 10, 2004 17:48:42 GMT -5
Wtf. Well, aren't you lucky. I'll be damned if any rental stores around here have old games. :/
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Post by OldSchool on Aug 10, 2004 17:51:23 GMT -5
Wtf. Well, aren't you lucky. I'll be damned if any rental stores around here have old games. :/ Why yes, I guess you could consider me lucky. One day I was like "Awe hell, might as well see if they'll sell it" and you know what, a little bit of Oldy charm, and a $10 dollar bill sealed the dead.
What was funny was actually I whipped out a $50 expecting to pay that much, when he said $10, I nearly dropped a load in my pants.
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Post by DRottenI on Aug 10, 2004 18:19:17 GMT -5
Oh, NO not tiers, There a bunch of lies, I am totally against tiers, its just someones lame excuse to braket which characters are the "best" and we all know how it goes, its the skill of the player and there style as well as the opponent
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Post by Ghosty on Aug 10, 2004 21:10:17 GMT -5
I think he said Falcon is 6th. The tournaments at the anime convention are 4 player free for alls with different settings. They never did a 1v1 (and I have never heard of only 1v1 tournaments). At anime conventions the tournys usually aren't that serious and i think otakon only attracted one or 2 of the top players that didn't even play their best characters heh. Most tourneys are 1v1 with a 2v2 (team attack on) as a side tourney. The thread to the tier list is here: www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?s=fee18b27aa66a2650ace33921e4739d5&threadid=34838They update it every once in a while, and don't take it to be like the word of smash Gods or something, as its voted on by people who are deemed by the moderators of that forum to know something about smash and not flame/spam. Falco I believe is two spots lower than fox, but its still REALLY close. I think its because Fox generally has better combos and is all around faster than falco, while still maintaining good KO moves. Fox's reflector is also one of the best moves in the game, while falco's isn't as good. I believe the current consensus is characters mid tier and up are deemed to have a reasonable chance at placing well in a big tourny. Oh, NO not tiers, There a bunch of lies, I am totally against tiers, its just someones lame excuse to braket which characters are the "best" and we all know how it goes, its the skill of the player and there style as well as the opponent This is the way a lot of people feel when they first see tiers, in fact it was how I felt at first too, but you do some research and you'll see its not some "lame excuse to list characters", its not like people are telling you you HAVE to use the best characters, its just that in a fighting game (in every fighting game, for some reason in SSBM people just oppose them more) there are tiers, simply because of character differences, if things are different, one will usually be better than the other somehow, it doesn't necessarily mean the better character will always win, because of course player skill is important. In fact the best player in north america (and possibly the world) uses Marth, ranked as the 3rd best character. aahh maybe i can find a link to a place that can explain it better -_-
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Post by Sokar468 on Aug 11, 2004 12:06:08 GMT -5
I have decided never to think about Smash Melee as those forums suggest. I just want to enjoy the game as I know it. That's what happened to me and Axis & Allies: 2nd Edition--after reading about how things should be done to achieve optimum tournament results, I lost complete interest in the game.
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Post by Ghosty on Aug 11, 2004 21:13:38 GMT -5
I have decided never to think about Smash Melee as those forums suggest. I just want to enjoy the game as I know it. That's what happened to me and Axis & Allies: 2nd Edition--after reading about how things should be done to achieve optimum tournament results, I lost complete interest in the game. Lol its like the opposite for me, I see SSBM as an interesting hobby and I'd like to learn everything I can about it, probably the reason I found this forum actually (for tactics ogre) hehe, although its not bad either if you don't want to know all the technical stuff about the game and just play it.
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Post by DRottenI on Aug 11, 2004 23:36:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Sokar is right, that takes away all the fun by analyzing the entire game to find the best character, why would you want someone to tell you that? its something you find out on your own and mess around with friends with not some math problem, those people make me sick
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Post by Ghosty on Aug 11, 2004 23:40:44 GMT -5
Yeah, Sokar is right, that takes away all the fun by analyzing the entire game to find the best character, why would you want someone to tell you that? its something you find out on your own and mess around with friends with not some math problem, those people make me sick wtf? Why do you care if people want to analyze the game and character match-ups to determine who have advantages in a fight with certain conditions. All people don't have the same sense of fun, I get more fun doing this than just messing around with my friends without knowing other stuff, but I don't get sick and angry at people who do, thats their business.
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Post by DRottenI on Aug 12, 2004 1:35:19 GMT -5
All I am saying is if you turn the game into a math problem and analyzing who the "tier" says the best player everyone will use that character thus making the others useless, the randomness of the game is the best part, making akward match ups is the best part, I dont know how you guys play but when I play with my friends we dont seriously think of there stats and jump ratios and how fast this one can manuver and so on, doesnt that make the game not fun?
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Post by Ghosty on Aug 12, 2004 1:38:44 GMT -5
All I am saying is if you turn the game into a math problem and analyzing who the "tier" says the best player everyone will use that character thus making the others useless, the randomness of the game is the best part, making akward match ups is the best part, I dont know how you guys play but when I play with my friends we dont seriously think of there stats and jump ratios and how fast this one can manuver and so on, doesnt that make the game not fun? You don't understand tiers if you think thats what i'm trying to do. Just because a character has more advantages doesn't mean everyone has to use that character, and it doesn't even mean that that character is better against all the other characters below it, there ARE counters in games as complex as this. If a character had to be used, that would mean the game was broken, SSBM is far from broken, and most of the characters are viable to play as, noone is trying to tell everyone to use sheik... that doesn't make sense, I don't even use sheik, few of the best players even use sheik even though she is at the top of the list. It IS fun for me to analyze the game, and I understand that its not going to be as fun for me as everyone... I'm not saying you have to analyze the game and play as the "statistically most advantaged" character... just go play with your friends if that's whats fun for you.
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Post by Sokar468 on Aug 12, 2004 10:15:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with DRotten, although I respect your interest in "mathematical" gameplay, Ghosty. After all, I am very "mathematical" when playing games like Unreal Tournament. But after seeing how I lost interest in the original Axis & Allies, thanks to statistics and black-and-white/all-or-nothing strategies, the game seriously lost its charm for me.
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