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Post by SNK! on Nov 24, 2002 17:13:09 GMT -5
What our your feelings on this issue? I'll post what I feel on it in a bit.
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Post by Dragoon Tony on Nov 24, 2002 17:37:33 GMT -5
Son of a bitch, I can see it now. This thread is gonna be just like the Religion thread from awhile back. Well, I'll probably be back to lock this in 2 or 3 days, unless it somehow miraculously stays flame-free (or no one else posts on it)
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Post by SNK! on Nov 24, 2002 17:40:26 GMT -5
Son of a bitch, I can see it now. This thread is gonna be just like the Religion thread from awhile back. Well, I'll probably be back to lock this in 2 or 3 days, unless it somehow miraculously stays flame-free (or no one else posts on it) Ummm....no, the religion turned into a flame war because brainwashed people like Jous posted on it, but no one like Jous is here, so I doubt it will result in anything bad. |
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Post by rain on Nov 24, 2002 17:58:39 GMT -5
funny that topics debating current issues started popping up after i posted one last night =P
my viewpoint is this: any kind of cloning, any kind of human genetics altering is wrong
for Tony's sakes i won't bring my religious viewpoint in here...but i will say this
altering what is natural, altering the natural law of things is against virtue...and its very cruel to raise an embryon just to use its stem cell for surgical replacement
this would somewhat link to the abortion debate...since its basically eradicating a human life for the selfish purpose of another human being
Rain...
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Post by Sokar468 on Nov 24, 2002 18:02:46 GMT -5
Stem cell research for the good of ALL people seems alright.
However, individual families using stem cell research to only benefit their own children seems bad.
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Post by SNK! on Nov 24, 2002 22:47:46 GMT -5
I agree, but Politically, US may have to do stem Cells, Stem Cell research may be the next step in medical studies, and there are many countries, WAY ahead of us, if their research is succusful, US will lose it's rank as the top in Medical Studies.
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Post by Jaggy on Nov 25, 2002 1:31:57 GMT -5
I agree, but Politically, US may have to do stem Cells, Stem Cell research may be the next step in medical studies, and there are many countries, WAY ahead of us, if their research is succusful, US will lose it's rank as the top in Medical Studies. Why does everyone make a big deal when the US isn't ranked on top of everyone else....... |
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Post by Granular Fire on Nov 25, 2002 7:28:44 GMT -5
I don't know. I need information on this before I can post.
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Post by ATAXRXES on Nov 25, 2002 11:37:20 GMT -5
Oh boy. I think I should probably just stay out of this one. Issues such
as this always have two sides which believe that they are right and the
other is wrong, and there is really no way to prove either one. Still, it should
prove to be an interesting thread for awhile...
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Post by D-Guy on Nov 25, 2002 14:45:42 GMT -5
I say using stem cells from aborted fetuses is ok since they have been aborted already and we're making the most of it. As for raising fetuses strictly for stem cells, that is wrong. Though it could be the future of medical research is stem cells. Though we'll never know first hand.
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Post by Zynx on Nov 25, 2002 16:02:36 GMT -5
While human cloning is so wrong that I could kill those who want it, I am all in favor of using stem cells that will never be used to create life to help cure ailments like Leukemia, Pancreatic Cancer, Parkinson's Disease, and a whole host of others.
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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 25, 2002 17:07:23 GMT -5
If cloning people when they die, for EVERYONE who wants to.... That could be good. But it'll be expensive, which excludes those who can't afford it, and it has tremendous religious meanings to not die... And "capital punishment" would change from "we'll kill you" to "we're not going to clone you when you die." Like the 6th Day movie with Arnold (I'm not even going to try), but everyone who wants to be cloned gets cloned, not just the people who are deemed "good"... That's my opinion, but the "for everyone" thing will never happen, and for now, we won't be able to "save" their memories, or age them to where they were... All that good stuff...
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Post by SNK! on Nov 25, 2002 17:18:39 GMT -5
Why does everyone make a big deal when the US isn't ranked on top of everyone else....... Well, EVERY country is ALWAYS striving to be the best, and U.S. certainly doesn't want to lose it's position, since we're so pigheaded, we DEMAND to be the alpha-male if you will. |
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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 25, 2002 17:21:44 GMT -5
Besides, who doesn't want to be #1?
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My mom doesn't, now that I think about it... She's like, "I think it's better in like England or something, because we're #1 here, we're also #1 target...." I disagree, but that could be a reason not to be #1...
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Post by SNK! on Nov 25, 2002 17:33:13 GMT -5
I don't know. I need information on this before I can post. Heres an Excerpt on a paper I had to write on it for school that discusses what they are, and the advantages and disadvantedges. Embryonic stem cells are extracted from human embryos that are three to five days old. Stem cells are located in the inner mass of the embryo known as the blastocyst. Embryonic stem cells are undifferentiated or pluripotent meaning that their function in the human body has not yet been determined. Once extracted, doctors use hormones and signaling fluids to change them into specific types of cells. The embryos from which the stem cells are extracted are created in fertility clinics for couples wanting to have in vitro fertilization. Once the stem cells are extracted, the embryo can no longer be implanted in the uterus to become a human life . Stem cells are important because they have the potential to cure many cell-based diseases like leukemia, Alzheimer’s disease, and Parkinson’s disease, and can grow healthy human tissue for skin grafts. Stem cells also have the potential to grow into organs and thus can be used to replace damaged or diseased organs. People who support embryonic stem cell research believe that stem cell research has unlimited potential. They also believe that since the embryos are created in labs and are extracted within a few days, the embryos are not a complete human life. The embryos used are unwanted and would be destroyed anyway. Today there are 200,000 frozen embryos worldwide. Even those who think that a life is taken through the extraction of the stem cell, feel that one loss is worth saving millions of others. Embryonic stem cells offer much more versatility than adult stem cells because adult stem cells are not pluripotent. An adult brain cell is an adult brain cell whereas an embryonic stem cell can become a brain cell, or skin cell, or organ cell, etc.. Politicians in favor of funding embryonic stem cell research through federal money argue that federally funded research must be shared. If federal funds are not made available, and private funds must be used, then the research will remain private. The research is so important that it should be shared so that medical discoveries will happen faster. Another argument for federal support of research is that strict guidelines must be adhered to preventing issues like cloning from coming up. Those who do not support embryonic stem cell research feel that destroying an embryo is murder. They also argue that there is no proven research to support the potential benefits of stem cell use. There is no way to ensure that the body would not reject created tissue and cells, and some even fear that cells could travel around the body and become tumors. As of now, embryonic stem cells have not been used to treat or cure anything. Some people feel that we should wait to see what happens with adult stem research, because we may gain the same results without sacrificing a life. Other people feel that their taxes should not be used to support what they feel is immoral activity. |
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