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Post by Zynx on Nov 25, 2002 18:12:26 GMT -5
How? Cloning yourself when you die will not make you live on in the new clone.
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Post by ATAXRXES on Nov 25, 2002 18:38:05 GMT -5
How? Cloning yourself when you die will not make you live on in the new clone. Exactly. Just because it has your DNA and nearly identical physical makeup does not mean anything really. You are a product of your environment and experiences. There might be another body running around that looks and sounds like you, but it will be nothing like you in any other respect.
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Post by SNK! on Nov 25, 2002 18:58:19 GMT -5
Basicly, clones are a PHYSICAL replica of you, but in no way a MENTAL replica of you.
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Post by Sokar468 on Nov 25, 2002 19:00:45 GMT -5
Exactly. Just because it has your DNA and nearly identical physical makeup does not mean anything really. You are a product of your environment and experiences. There might be another body running around that looks and sounds like you, but it will be nothing like you in any other respect. Only 30% of a person's character and psychology is impacted by genes. The remaining 70% is environment.
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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 25, 2002 20:00:42 GMT -5
I was talking about like in the future, when we understand more of those "psycho" things, we could make recordings, or some such, of them and implant them in the clone, allowing you to live on. Like in The 6th Day. I know, it's just a movie, but a little of it is based on facts and I believe it IS feasible, at least in the future... Or maybe I just don't know enough about it, which is likely, but no one really does...
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Post by Gustave on Nov 25, 2002 21:26:25 GMT -5
It would not mean you would live...it would mean that your friends would not have to live without you... My 2 cents: There has been much debate over when an embryo "becomes alive", due to abortion, but a doctor took a picture of a fetus. In this picture, the doctor was sticking his finger (i forget the situation, maybe it was abortion, but i dont know much about that) into her uterus. When his finger reached the fetus (not yet legally alive), the fetus grabbed his finger with is miniscule hand.... I think that Embryonic stem Cell research should be avoided at all costs. I've always been pretty radical and one-sided on these topics, and I am on this one too. The only plus i can see is that while you are making the embryo solely for it's stem cells, you are not killing someone. Would you have ever had that baby anyhow? Along those lines of reasoning, masturbation is a weapon of mass destruction.
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Post by Jaggy on Nov 25, 2002 21:46:16 GMT -5
Wow, I think we have an upcoming science genetics project on a topic similar to this.
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Post by SNK! on Nov 25, 2002 22:09:00 GMT -5
Wow, I think we have an upcoming science genetics project on a topic similar to this. Well, you can use my paper if you want. And Gustav, their not making the embryos for stem cell research, their using unused FROZEN embryo's from couples that no longer want them. Also Gustav, the thing about the hand, Venus fly trap moves as well, doesn't mean it's capable of thought.
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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 25, 2002 23:47:27 GMT -5
According to religion (or my religion at least, I don't know about others...) it's a life as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg... And, yeah those people who think abortion is OK cause it can't be a human left, it's just a little blob... It's not. For the first few weeks it is, but after about a month it is a miniscule human being, and can move and react to changes in its environment (granted, its environment doesn't change much, but like light and stuff...) and at some point (early on, I think) it's capable of crying, which is a really saddening thought....
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Post by Sokar468 on Nov 26, 2002 0:04:25 GMT -5
What about Genetically Modified food? I have both reasons to support it and to argue against it.
The problem is determining long term effects of producing a large amount of GMO food. For example, certain kinds of GMO corn can have an adverse effect on butterfly populations.
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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 26, 2002 0:06:18 GMT -5
Really? Wow, butterflies... I like butterflies... LEAVE THE BUTTERFLIES ALONE... sorry, its way past my bedtime, but I got homework to do... (it's 12:06 and I have a big Bio test tomorrow...)
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Post by Zynx on Nov 26, 2002 7:00:22 GMT -5
What about Genetically Modified food? I have both reasons to support it and to argue against it. The problem is determining long term effects of producing a large amount of GMO food. For example, certain kinds of GMO corn can have an adverse effect on butterfly populations. If I recall correctly a lot of that genetically modified food could cause serious health problems.
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Post by ATAXRXES on Nov 26, 2002 10:55:31 GMT -5
If I recall correctly a lot of that genetically modified food could cause serious health problems. I am sure that somewhere down the road it will. The problem with all this stuff is that nobody is going to know anything for another 15-20 years when the effects of such experimentation will start to make themselves evident. Theres just no way to know some things except to let time do its thing. Getting back on topic, Embryo does not equal fetus. It's just a collection of cells, just like any other tissue. This is the main point of contention. When exactly does a human life come into being here? There are two main views on this, and as far as I am concerned, neither can prove the other wrong or right. Oh yeah, Wild Arms, that masturbation=weapon of mass destruction line was hilarious. However it made me think about the Catholic church's whole stand on birth control which I believe was based on just such logic. I don't know as I am not Catholic and I haven't heard anything about that issue for some time, but it makes sense if you think about it.
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Post by Gustave on Nov 26, 2002 16:40:39 GMT -5
It's already been proven that a certain ingredient in a mix that makes the cow grow better (just like how chickens nowadays are deformed horribly for bigger legs and wings and thighs and stuff we eat) causes breast cancer to multiply hundreds of times faster.
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Post by ATAXRXES on Nov 26, 2002 17:02:35 GMT -5
It's already been proven that a certain ingredient in a mix that makes the cow grow better (just like how chickens nowadays are deformed horribly for bigger legs and wings and thighs and stuff we eat) causes breast cancer to multiply hundreds of times faster. Right, exactly what I was saying. You don't think they just started fooling around with those kinds of hormones and whatnots yesterday do you? Remember, there was a time when doctors used to prescribe smoking to people and you could by "tonics" laced with cocaine and morphine at the drug store. For that matter, where do you think Coca-Cola got their name? It wasn't always caffeine in there...
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