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Post by TreasureFinder on Jul 7, 2003 12:41:26 GMT -5
I think it is kind of ironic that we haven't really even "finished" the war with Iraq, and the President is already getting ready to go to Africa. How about we finish what we started first, and then go try to act like "We Are America, And We Know What's Best For You."
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Post by Sokar468 on Jul 7, 2003 15:25:24 GMT -5
My history regarding Liberia is foggy at best, but didn't the United States create Liberia about 50 years ago or so? I think we liberated them or something, in which case I believe it is our duty to assist/protect them.
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Post by sharpshooter on Jul 7, 2003 16:15:35 GMT -5
My history regarding Liberia is foggy at best, but didn't the United States create Liberia about 50 years ago or so? I think we liberated them or something, in which case I believe it is our duty to assist/protect them. From what I heard on the news, Liberia was created by freed american slaves.
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Post by Zynx on Jul 7, 2003 17:26:07 GMT -5
My history regarding Liberia is foggy at best, but didn't the United States create Liberia about 50 years ago or so? I think we liberated them or something, in which case I believe it is our duty to assist/protect them. More like 181 years ago. ;D We should help them on humanitarian grounds because we have been giving them false hope that we would for the last 14 years, but nothing has been done.
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Post by Sokar468 on Jul 8, 2003 8:33:21 GMT -5
More like 181 years ago. ;D We should help them on humanitarian grounds because we have been giving them false hope that we would for the last 14 years, but nothing has been done. Ok, so I was off by a few years. Anyway, I still think going into Iraq was a bad move to begin with, but it has been done, and now I fear we may be in too deep with international affairs. As much as I believe we should help Liberia, not at the expense of more American soldiers and world opinion of the U.S. (which is already badly damaged).
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Post by Zynx on Jul 8, 2003 8:39:58 GMT -5
Well, in the case of Liberia, even France and Germany want us to help Liberia out. I am a bit concerned about the general unstable nature of any African country and the potential for a disaster like we had in Mogadishu, but I'm pretty confident that won't happen here.
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Post by TreasureFinder on Jul 8, 2003 12:44:14 GMT -5
To clarify about Liberia, early colonists (Franklin, Jefferson etc.) set up a country in Africa so slaves could return to their native land. However, this was actually a dilemma for the African Americans. Many didn't want to return to Africa, or were not used to living in that part of Africa.
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Post by Granular Fire on Jul 9, 2003 12:33:33 GMT -5
I think the state Afghanistan is in right now is enough evidence to show that getting rid of the Taliban was mostly if not all for the benefit of the U.S. To build the trans-Afghan pipeline to transfer natural gas. I think Unocal will be getting around 35% of it for the U.S.
Perhaps Liberia might increase the popularity for the U.S. since I don't believe there is any oil there for us buy.
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Post by Sokar468 on Jul 9, 2003 12:53:49 GMT -5
Perhaps Liberia might increase the popularity for the U.S. since I don't believe there is any oil there for us buy. Good point. There are potentially far fewer ulterior intentions in Liberia than there would be in Iraq.
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Post by Zynx on Jul 9, 2003 14:08:37 GMT -5
Liberia would be done soley on humanitarian reasons because the civil war there has killed something like 200,000 people. I personally think we should help out for many reasons. For one, we have been ignoring their pleas for help for the last 14 years, and it is about time we do something. Secondly, it is critical that we show African dictators that we won't tolerate their behavior any longer. Third, it will help rebuild our image around the world.
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Post by TreasureFinder on Jul 9, 2003 19:25:53 GMT -5
Liberia would be done soley on humanitarian reasons because the civil war there has killed something like 200,000 people. I personally think we should help out for many reasons. For one, we have been ignoring their pleas for help for the last 14 years, and it is about time we do something. Secondly, it is critical that we show African dictators that we won't tolerate their behavior any longer. Third, it will help rebuild our image around the world. Don't forget: President Bush also said that he was going there to speak about the AIDS epidemic.............HA! I didn't believe it either....
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Post by Zynx on Jul 10, 2003 8:11:10 GMT -5
Here's the sad thing about his AIDs package for Africa. He has over a third of it tagged for teaching abstinence. Why waste money like that when you could put that $5billion into research?
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Post by Granular Fire on Jul 10, 2003 8:40:58 GMT -5
Not only that, but I think countries that allow abortion won't recieve aid from the U.S. which I think is quite unfair. The Bush administration is forcing its views onto other countries.
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Post by Sokar468 on Jul 10, 2003 8:43:24 GMT -5
I f**ken hate politics. Why would they refuse aid to countries that have abortion? Because they are not as Overly-Christian-heated-Republican-closed-minded as some Americans are?
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Post by Zynx on Jul 10, 2003 9:29:40 GMT -5
Bush and his fundemental nut friends like Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson just don't see that other regions of the world have different religions, cultures, and values than we do. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for them.
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