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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 24, 2002 12:25:10 GMT -5
We told him to attack a big country(Saudia Arabia, I believe). It was Iran, for anyone who cares, because we felt that Iran was the greater of two evils... Ayatollah (forgive spelling) Kamainie (I know that's not even close) was worse than Sadam, but doesn't matter now, he's dead... And BTW, most people in Iraq would welcome someone new as their leader, THEY don't like Sadam either, but they definitly don't want us to come in and do it... Sadam's not going to attack us, because that's Game Over for him, and he will not give them to Osama bin Laden, as they happen to hate each other (Sadam runs a secular government, without all the robes and things like other places in the Middle East, and women are actually equal, while bin Laden is heavily (obviously) Islamic and feels Sadam is a heretic. He wouldn't even accept the weapons from Sadam, except maybe to attack Iraq...) So he is not really a problem, his weapons are just his lifeline, and he'll die of age soon enough anyway. If we killed him, the ensuing chaos would give ample oppurtunities to anyone who wanted weapons of mass destruction. Those are my reasons showing that there IS no reason to go to war. Yeah, he broke the rules, but punishment on this scale HAS to be nearly unanimous. There are also plenty of reasons why we shouldn't go to war either. So there are no good reasons to go to war, and plenty of reasons not to, from a practical standpoint.
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Post by Prince of Lemuria on Nov 24, 2002 12:38:45 GMT -5
I agree with Lans and Finalboss.
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Post by rain on Nov 24, 2002 12:47:51 GMT -5
it boils down to
Bush doesn't understand the principle of right and wrong...there isn't always going to be a black and white, there isn't always going to be an absolute
he honestly thinks that God's on our side (people, thats right, God's on our side, not we're on God's side) and we will lay Iraq to waste...he's certainly right about one thing...we will lay Iraqi Army to waste..but it isn't the power from God that allowed us...it's the corrupted power of human engineering
Iraqi President is an evil man...and he needs to be rid of...but why decimating Iraqi citizens in reaction to one man's evil deeds? look at afghanistan...till this day i don't believe they deserved what happened to them...the citizens at least...didn't
not many of them lost their lives...or at least as reported by the newsgroups...but many of them lost their homes...lost a part of what little they had
Rain...
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Post by Granular Fire on Nov 24, 2002 14:32:45 GMT -5
I personally like these topics.
I never really liked Bush, I don't care that he kept the nation together after 9/11. I just don't like his views on the environment. Did you here about him easing up on the pollution controls for factories? He's destroying the planet.
I happen to want Clinton back. He was still a very good president.
About Iraq, I don't really have a real opinion about it.
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Post by Mystria on Nov 24, 2002 14:49:24 GMT -5
see ppl, my good friend granularfire is the environmentalist. I'm not saying its bad. I'm just saying
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Post by Lasanti on Nov 24, 2002 15:03:02 GMT -5
Clinton was running it good, but then he f*cked himself over and lost all his respect, so great president or not, he had no support. But he leaft soon enough, and Bush took his place, and there was all that arguing about whether or now Bush was the real president, but Clinton's reputation screwed Gore too, and eventually, for the most part, the argument was smoothed out. So everybody cheered, and the country expected to find itself safely in the hands of a father's son. But then all hell broke loose, and Bush f*cked things up even more, making it take longer to fix the problem, making us relive all the shit that we wanted to shove into the back of our minds. And then, coming to deal the final blow to a country in decay was Iraq. In the middle of a sea of shit, the country that had caused us so much trouble, that we subdued with Desert Fox, came back. So Bush, the doom leader, jumps up and tries to redeem himself. But there is political indecision, as our f*cked up government will always have. We COULD go f*ck Iraq, but what's this? Does it look familiar? BUSH HAS NO GODDAMN RESPECT OR SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Me? I'm all for the invasion, but I ain't the guy in power.
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Post by Mystria on Nov 24, 2002 15:04:36 GMT -5
Your avatar isn't working and I decided to post here because of another thread. Sorry about getting off topic
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Post by Satoshi on Nov 24, 2002 17:39:54 GMT -5
We can't go and decimate an entire nation. Our main focus is on the dictator, not on the country. Personally, if we lose our support on the UN, think about what would happen? Why take this to extreme measures? I can't say much though, my political knowledge is pretty limited. However... I believe that Bush isn't doing America a good deal. Seriously, if we do that, America would probably be as bad as Hussein.
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Post by rain on Nov 24, 2002 18:04:38 GMT -5
Seriously, if we do that, America would probably be as bad as Hussein. exactly. Rain...
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Post by DragoonWraith on Nov 24, 2002 21:51:59 GMT -5
Of course we can't do that... Too bad too, because if we could, that'd be the best thing, take out Sadam and leave Iraq alone... But Sadam's a cowardly bastard, and he gives us no chance...
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Post by Granular Fire on Nov 24, 2002 22:23:15 GMT -5
You know, most boards have a serious discussion board.
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Post by Gustave on Nov 24, 2002 22:31:52 GMT -5
Haha, i said almost the exact thing.... we're turning into the whole Axis of Evil...the whole world war 3 thing...but somebody posted right after me...so it didnt get read....doesnt life suck? I was reading in a Catholic magazine that the USA is not even on God's side anymore. The US has more smuggling of drugs than Amsterdam, and it's all legal there! So as to God being on our side, i don't belive there's a chance. As to us being on God's side....i'm beginning to believe we're not. I'm verging on bible thumper, so i believe the US will become like Babylon and Rome. We aren't on Israel's side (which would, as Rain said, put us on God's side), we're fighting for vengeance.
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Post by Sokar468 on Nov 25, 2002 0:08:59 GMT -5
I was upset to hear that when Romania recently joined NATO, Bush took advantage of the opportunity in the wrong context.
Romania had just undergone a republic revolution. Their corrupt communist government was overthrown, but the scars still show. Romania wanted to join NATO to express their love for the free world. When Bush went there, he rudely used the communist overthrow to support his war on Iraq. He said that the Romanians had "seen evil" through communism, and can better understand why people like Saddam need to be stopped.
Don't you think Romania cares more about tending their wounds form their difficult past than the U.S. wanting to slap Saddam around? Bad move, Bush.
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Post by Crono789 on Nov 25, 2002 2:08:34 GMT -5
Im an environmentalist too. Anything to keep the people and the environment intact would be a godsend to me.
Masturbate for peace. Touch your sack, not Iraq.
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Post by Lans Tartare on Nov 25, 2002 4:19:49 GMT -5
Even the fellow Arab nations consider Sadaam to be bad because of the gulf war, such an evil man should be punished. But attacking IRAQ won't help bush punish Sadaam, no. The most that would happen would be that Bush will attack Iraq...Sadaam will attack America.
The thing we should consider in my sentences is "Attack Iraq/America" not "Sadaam" or "Bush". They'll just hop on their jets and fly off to some other place, leaving behind people who will only suffer. Bush would do this wrong move and drop the axe on his on leg, Sadaam would escape, and Bush WILL be responsible for the destruction of Iraq and America.
The people are reacting very immature. "Let's kick Sadaam's ass..." and if I add to that: "...and destroy America and disrupt world peace". It's not a childhood grudge or those "beat'em ups" in school, it's serious. That man will just go inhiding like bin laden...and we will be the one to suffer the consequences.
...the people are not at all happy with Sadaam. They don't want a war, but it's Sadaam's agression that forces them to obey his order. We should ALSO have pity on the poor/young/old people of Iraq...they don't want this....they are FORCED. I care for human life, weather it be an American or someone from Iraq.
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